In this talk we will extend the results of Frick and Grohe to even simpler classes of graphs. In particular, we will show that the non-elementary parameter dependence is still necessary even for uncolored paths, and then discuss some implications of this result. Furthermore, we will show a (d+1)-fold exponential lower bound for the
parameter dependence of MSO model checking on colored trees of height d. This matches the recent (d+1)-fold exponential algorithm for this problem recently given by Gajarsky and Hlineny.